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13 July 2005 @ 05:13 am
Apartment story..  
I guess I forgot to write about this. Remember how I've been looking for apartments for a while now... I've applied to get two of them and this happened a while ago but I forgot to post it here..

* First apartment, the landlord says he'll rent to me, but he wants to double the deposit because I'm a foreigner. I turned that down for obvious reasons.
* Second apartment (w the gundam bathroom), I get denied flat out because the landlord says he doesn't want to rent to a foreigner.

Discrimination like that is NOT against the law in Japan. It's a common practice, actually. My options are really limited because I'm a foreigner. It's true, a lot of foreigners have rented apartments before and skipped out on their contracts. What do they care? They're not coming back, and they're leaving the country. So no big deal to them. However, it's bred a lot of prejudice. The landlords don't even have to make an excuse, like they would in America (since discrimination IS against the law there). They can just say, "you're a foreigner, I don't want to rent to a foreigner." End of discussion.

I've heard of bars that still operate that will say outside that no foreigners are allowed. This is especially true supposedly of all-you-can-drink bars. I've never seen them, myself, but I do believe that they're out there. Again, there's good reason for it. I can't count the number of times that I've seen DRUNK off their ass foreigners being loud and obnoxious. These are the kind of people that NOVA employs, stereotypically. I can speak because I worked for NOVA. I rarely drink, but that was ALL that my coworkers did for recreation. It's sad and boring, to me.

Eda, me, and friends HAVE been kicked out of places. Well, one place. I wrote about this a long time ago, but basically, love hotels are very famous in Japan. So we wanted to go as a group to see what it was like. We found a cheap one, went inside to look at the pictures of rooms (no we weren't going to DO anything!!) and the guy at the counter yelled, in japanese, "nihongo wakarimasen dame!" which is very rude for, "if you don't understand japanese get out!" Well, they don't breed 'em smart, obviously, to manage love hotels, and Eda's answer was, "wa.ka.ri.ma.shi.ta. (asshole!)" Which means "I understand." The 'asshole' was silent. Basically, he just didn't want foreigners. My mind still boggles with how we were supposed to understand that sentence if we didn't understand japanese. Of course, it was yelled rather loudly so I'm sure it would get the point across. I think he'd had practice.

There are some customs that I DETEST in Japan. This is probably because, raised in America, I have a different set of values. Many women still look forward to only working until they get married, and then quitting to become a housewife. I've never liked that path, personally. Women here also tend to act (I was told it was just an act by a japanese friend) as if the man is the head of the house. Well, act or not, I ABHOR that sentiment. I asked her why they need to pretend, and she said it's just to get the man. That's so wrong in my world that I couldn't even answer her. In my opinion, a woman should NEVER be subservient to a man. NEVER. And if you need to pretend to be so just to 'get' a man, then that man is not worthy of your attention. Flat out. A marriage should be an equal partnership, and if there is anybody who needs to act, then it is to act that the woman is the head of the house. Stand STRONG, ladies!

You know, I've been asked countless times by my elementary school students, "are you married?" Every day someone says it. And when I invariably reply, "no," or "of course not," they ask why. I'm only 24. It's such a foreign thing to me to be expected to get married by this age. Well, women here are so fixated on marriage as a whole that it IS strange for me not to be. Of course most of my japanese friends are older than me and still not married, but they're the exception. I don't understand.. what is it about being single that somehow qualifies me less than anyone else as a person? That's just wrong. PS- I don't want to get married anytime soon. If at all. I can't even imagine myself trying to be anything less than 100% in charge of my life. No WAY will I ever give that autonomy up. I'd rather just have a 'pet' a la Kimi wa Petto.

I went off the subject. But what I originally wanted to say is that discrimination is alive and thriving in Japan, no matter how they tell you its not. I see it virtually every day that I step outside my house. There's only 4 good things about it that I can see.
1- When japanese people move away from 'the foreigner' on the train, it just gives me more room! (Unfortunately I wish this would happen more often)
2- They won't argue with me because a) they think I won't understand, b) I'm bigger than the average japanese male, c) stereotypically, foreign women are tough and won't just lay down during a fight.
3- I don't have to worry about perverts on the train! Uusally...
4- Because I'm tall, I can breathe even on crowded trains. My face isn't pushed into someone's chest or back or side.
Mmmm, actually there was one time that a SMELLY old japanese man started yelling at me on the train. I don't know what for. I just said I don't understand and ignored him. He shut up really quickly, but if he had kept going I would have started arguing with him Loudly. In english. That would probably have shut him up REAL fast.

So, that's my story..
 
 
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美夢_miyuchan_ on July 12th, 2005 08:22 pm (UTC)
*hugs*
._. I understand what you mean, I've been in japan enough to see some of the things you mentioned (apart that since I have a big ahem..airbag perverts start to talk to me asking me where I live if I speak japanese and so on..)
it's bad, I can't say if it's because foreigners made themselves look bad in japan or because they think we are unpolite and rude without knowing us first..maybe it's both of these things.
It's also one of the main problems there nè?
I can't help but think japanese people are quite xenophobes.
You know what..maybe you should find some japanese friend who can guarantee for you, after all, it's not like you will leave without paying or else..maybe if you find an help in someone japanese it will be easier to find an apartment.
Ganbare!!!
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 12th, 2005 09:06 pm (UTC)
OMG, yes.. the 'airbag' perverts!!! X_x AHHHHHH they're SO ANNOYING!! I've been stopped by them a few times too. Yuck yuck yuck.

I think that it's a mix of problems. Many foreigners aren't rude, but there are a few who are. So because of that, many japanese think we're all rude. And I have to confess... after being met with that opinion all the time, it makes me think, 'well I can be rude too, who cares.' So I'm not always so better. ^^;;

Ah, my company is being my guarantor for the apartment, so that's not a problem..
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Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 12th, 2005 09:04 pm (UTC)
Yes, it's very strange, isn't it? Before I came to Japan, I never even thought about America as being truly multiracial. To me, it's so normal seeing so many different types of people together that it didn't even occur to me that any place else was different. ^^;; That was my biggest shock in coming to Japan, I think.

The overwhelming amount of asian people and none other in Japan even affects me now. There's been a few times that I saw foreign girls in sailor fuku, and I always stop to stare. ^_^;; And when I hear of foreign women here who grew up in Japan, I always get SO JEALOUS. (I want to be fluent in Japanese.. and be as thin as 99% of japanese are, because of diet..)
Megaraptor: Isshi: illusionmegaraptor on July 12th, 2005 08:54 pm (UTC)
re: discrimination
I've heard of bars that still operate that will say outside that no foreigners are allowed. This is especially true supposedly of all-you-can-drink bars. I've never seen them, myself, but I do believe that they're out there. Again, there's good reason for it. I can't count the number of times that I've seen DRUNK off their ass foreigners being loud and obnoxious.

This actually doesn't make any sense to me considering how many Japanese people I saw walking around in the streets drunk, loud, and obnoxious. People just seem to ignore them and go about their business. Foreigners probably don't get that consideration simply because they're foreign, not because their behavior is especially out of control. An amusing thought I had is foreigners are discriminated against in all-you-can-drink bars simply because most people I know in America could probably drink them out of business. XD


Anyway, you're right about discrimination (or at the very least, a general attitude towards foreigners) being alive and well in Japan. Even in my short stay there I've experienced it first hand. It's a little frustrating sometimes, but you have to keep in mind that many of these people have very little experience with other cultures. In fact, a lot of the people I met in Hiroshima, I was the first or second foreigner they'd ever talked to. Surprising, coming from a place like America where you can see different cultures and hear different languages wherever you go... but the Japanese have a lot of presuppositions and a lot of assumptions based on only a few experiences with a few people. That doesn't make it right, but it's only natural.

But, I'm sure you've had that thought too! (not to mention your situation is rather dire) Mostly I talk to myself and those on your flist who've not had such experiences in Japan. In short, discrimination is illegal in America because America consists of so many different cultures. That's how America came to be. But in Japan, multiculturalism is a fairly new concept. As foreigners who choose to live in/visit such a country, I think we have to be conscious of that, even when it sucks and you get turned away from delicious looking okonomiyaki restaurants for being white. :(
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 12th, 2005 09:01 pm (UTC)
Re: discrimination
An amusing thought I had is foreigners are discriminated against in all-you-can-drink bars simply because most people I know in America could probably drink them out of business. XD

Agreed. I think this might be part of the reason also! XD And yeah, japanese people get drunk and aren't even ashamed of it. It's so sad. Then again, the australian teachers that I've met are the same way. Maybe it's the same in Australia? In America, it's an embarrassment to be publicly drunk.. or so I've always thought.

Mmmm... agreed, multiculturalism is a fairly new concept for them, but I personally believe that I don't have to be conscious of it. I also don't have to be accepting of it. Because it's wrong, flat out, to discriminate. And they should know it. If I tolerate it, nothing will change.
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Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 12th, 2005 09:08 pm (UTC)
Are you a foreigner too? (I always thought you were asian ^^;;;)

Yeah, I still have a lot of fun here.. But I'm going to change the culture as much as I can. At least, I'm not going to put up with discrimination. Once I become fluent in japanese, I'm going to try to pass a law against discrimination.
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Elvy: Ninja in the Daysoundsoft_elvy on July 12th, 2005 09:32 pm (UTC)
LOL I personally like the pros to being a foreigner list down below. Apparently I've master the "Glare of Death". It would be fun to test it out on a disgruntle Japanese pervert.
Miwa Satoshimiwasatoshi on July 12th, 2005 11:03 pm (UTC)
Hehe.

I'm all about being the vaguely scary escort type, because I am taller and built larger than 90% of Japanese men. O_o

(Granted, I am taller and larger than 90% of Filipino men, not counting the current generation in the United States that apparently are all a lot like me.)
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Jyuu: Kouya - Lonely in your Nightmarejyuufish on July 12th, 2005 09:34 pm (UTC)
Wow that was interesting, I always enjoy reading about japanese customs.. so yay. (BTW thanks for friending me, I friended you back)
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 13th, 2005 12:30 am (UTC)
Your welcome! ^__^
キモさ満々♡ 미친 외국인: alone together ~ shinn + reydilettantka on July 12th, 2005 09:42 pm (UTC)
Don't forget, even in America, as Erin said, somebody can refuse to rent a place to you if they own it without having to justify it. As I said before, in America they'd just lie and not say it was because you were of a certain race or sexual orientation or whatever.

As for bars and hostess clubs, etc., I don't know how they can get away with it. It might work like nightclubs in America; it's very hard to prove that you are being discriminated against if the bar just has a policy of only letting certain people inside (e.g., if you are not fashionably dressed enough). For instance, one time my friends and I tried to get into a nightclub in NYC but they just flat out wouldn't let us because apparently we were not hot enough or something, lol. And another let us in grudgingly but then made us feel extremely unwelcome because we were women (both were gay bars).

The stone-age gender ideas drive me crazy too, though, especially since most of the Japanese women I know don't fit that stereotype, but yet they don't really care about it either.
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 13th, 2005 12:36 am (UTC)
That's true.. but at least in America, they can't outright say it's because I'm a foreigner, just like they can't say that it's because I'm gay or mexican or arabian or something. At least they have to lie. At least then it's somehow less.... annoying.

Yeah.. I guess I can see it for nightclubs, not liking women if they're a gay bar or something. It's like a 5-star restaurant letting in people who are wearing sandals and a ratty t-shirt. But then, on the flip side, they would DEFINITELY let in the President or Britney Spears or something if they were wearing flip-flops, ratty jeans, and a baseball cap. So why not us? Mmmmm.. Not fair. The law is really strange, I wonder if you could sue a restaurant for that.. I suppose you could if you'd seen a star go in in the same ensemble..

Yeah, why can't women want to change? It made me so mad when my coworker told me that women only pretend to be submissive. I'm like.. WHY?!! We had an argument over that. But *sigh* It's a cultural thing. Eventually, I hope women will change more and more.

Wow, it's cold today!
C L O V E R: YANAGI KOTAROH + BEAUTIFULidyllica on July 12th, 2005 09:45 pm (UTC)
Oh god, if someone did that to me, I would probably pound that person. I would be upset, and I would automically argue back in english because I don't know Japanese at all. And the funny thing is, I don't know how to explain it but most of the Japanese stars there tried to act like us Americans in many ways...I haven't seen it all but I seen how they tried to act like us. Why is that? Be yourself.
As for perverts, I will kick that guy in the balls, and then probably snort and run off...And probably yell at the person for being a pervert...>__> I sound so mean; But you have a right to be angry, and I don't think you should be denied of apartments.
Good luck searching, maybe searching online will help? I'm not sure. :D
Feel better! [huggles you]
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 13th, 2005 12:37 am (UTC)
*snuggles* You and me both!! I almost WANT to get handled by a perrvert, because I'm going to cause a SCENE, you'd better believe!

I guess I don't dress sexy enough, though XD
The Elf: T&T - True Heart -by chouchou_samaina on July 12th, 2005 10:04 pm (UTC)
I heard about that from other people living in Japan too, I didn't encounter anything but then our stay was short and I tend to be somewhat oblivious to other people.

I am really sorry that you have such problems renting an apartment.

Have you heard of him? http://www.debito.org/
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 13th, 2005 12:37 am (UTC)
Oh wow, I'd never heard of him! What an awesome link, thank you!!!!!!!!!
KikyoYuiladyseiryuu on July 12th, 2005 10:27 pm (UTC)
I know a lot of my otaku friends here idealize Japan and Japanese Culture. It's completely exotic to us here, and there's definately a draw. I live in OHIO, Land of American "Normalcy", so travel to Japan is defianately appealing.

Living there's obviously a different story.

No matter where you go, people don't seem to get that there are exceptions to every rule. In this case, of course you wouldn't skip out on a contract. You're responsible, and you've got a steady income and everything.

I suppose a lot of people go by "Once Bitten, Twice Shy" though. And, there are prejudices everywhere. In this case, the "Big, irresponsible, dumb American" bites us in the ass.

Good luck with everything, and keep us here in the US posted on how things turn out. I'm here for you!
Miwa Satoshimiwasatoshi on July 12th, 2005 11:00 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed my time there, but I know every rose has its thorn. I fully expected the various responses I got there ... except for the one bar hostess who thought I was local, but anyway.

Yeah ... people are even more predisposed to misconceptions when they haven't seen or experienced much of another culture. Only education and tolerance can solve this (and this often means dealing with more BS than you'd care to).
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Jey: Bleach | Tatsuki - Judo Chopchynoi on July 12th, 2005 11:26 pm (UTC)
Errrr... ._. Best of luck to you in finding an apartment without discrimination.

It's good that you have those standards for yourself that you won't have someone control your life and that you are definitely 100% in control of your own life! I wish all my friends could stand tall and strong like that because there are times when I try my hardest to get that message across and hit a brick wall.

It's definitely odd living in another country [ I vacationed in the Philippines for 3 months ] because your mind is defaulted to believe that everything that's a-ok in America is just the same in another country until you're proven wrong and then it just doesn't seem right at all because you've grown up with that kind of norm.

Since you're planning on staying there forever, I hope you can get use to it... because sadly enough you're gonna have to. >/ If it's what the Japanese society has live with for many years, chances are, it's gonna stay like that for a very long time.
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 13th, 2005 12:43 am (UTC)
Nah, honestly, I'm not planning to get used to it. I'm going to change it.

I was always the type of person who hated people coming into America and trying to change my customs. I mean, like people who thought that all women should wear headdresses and stuff like that. But here I am now doing the same thing and I feel 100% justified. I wonder why.... it must be because I believe in my beliefs firmly. I believe that women should be more outspoken and substantial the world around!! Even if that's not the norm in Japan now, I am still going to act the same. No way, no where will I ever be silenced for what I believe in, and no way will I ever EVER let a man have even a feigned control of me.
aly Says \ ألينramble_corner on July 13th, 2005 12:07 am (UTC)
Well i think history certainly plays a cause to this as well coz it was not until after WW2 that Japan finally opened its shore to foreigners so they have less time to adjust to outside exposure. They were pretty much secluded before . So as someone mentioned, they have less experience with multi-raciality and as such maybe less tolerance. on the man vs women thing see the Aiko case . That's the most public one you could think off.
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 13th, 2005 12:44 am (UTC)
I don't know the case that you mentioned... but as I said above to Miwa, I'm going to change the laws. It doesn't take a large group of people, just a small one with very loud voices.
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Francesca {フランチェスカ}fantasy2004 on July 13th, 2005 01:09 am (UTC)
it sad to hear about discrimination in Japan. I never realized it and it kind of scary for me cause I never been to Japan. I do hope they will change their view and I also hope that you will get a good appartment.

Your right it only takes one person to change a law.

Good Luck.
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 13th, 2005 01:20 am (UTC)
Yeah, let's hope for the best! Thank you! ^__^
Keiaoi_tenshi on July 13th, 2005 01:59 am (UTC)
That just....sucks =/ Like I knew to a small extent that there was some discrimination against foriegners in Japan, but that's just really really horrible *HUGS* I just really really hope that you can find somewhere and that somehow that some time soon that some things can get changed for the better =/ *HUGS* you seriously don't deserve that sort of treatment, but it's true about people just skipping out on things and setting it up so that people who would come after them would suffer =/ But I know you're strong and that you can outlast it all! *HUGS*

Also...I sent out the money order today! Hopefully it'll be there in like a week or so >.
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 13th, 2005 02:46 am (UTC)
*hugs* I will survive~! ^___^ And it will be good in the end! ^^
kunzitekunzite1 on July 13th, 2005 02:32 am (UTC)

this has nothing to do with your post.
you don't know me.

someone contacted me letting me know that you were bummed that s1 doesn't support tags.

you also thought that it would take a while to convert this layout to s2.

well... i spent today doing just that.

here are some previews of the layout that i made: r1, f, y, m, d, e, r2.

here is the code for a user layer that alters generator to look like the above links.
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on July 13th, 2005 02:39 am (UTC)
Wow, um... thank you? ^_^;; I don't know what to say. I never expected anyone to do that.

If it looked EXACTLY like my current layout, I'd change it over. But there are still several core important things (1- the links underneath the picture, I don't want them, and 2- it's not aligned 100% to the top and bottom in any of the layouts), that would keep me from changing it over..

I'm still completely shocked, though. All day, that's a long time to spend...
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