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03 November 2004 @ 10:34 am
My one and only political rantage..  
I'm not overly interested in politics, but there are a few issues that I really care about, that I will support to the best of my ability. I think first and foremost is the drive for equal marriage rights for gay and lesbian citizens. There are very few issues that I care about so strongly that I would be willing to stage a demonstration that would carry the possibility of me getting arrested, and this is obviously one. So, is it wrong of me to be ashamed that I know people who vote for Bush, when he outright states that he wants to outlaw same sex marriage? This issue isn't so important to many of the people that voted for him I know, but in my eyes voting for him equals voting against same sex marriage. I feel strongly enough about this that I'd be willing to drop a friend immediately over it.

Now, I think I'm a good friend. I love my friends dearly, despite whatever flaws they have. I'd do nearly anything for them including putting my life on the line. But saying that I'd drop them over voting...? That makes me feel terrible, but... I can't stand the idea of having friends who don't support same-sex marriage. I don't want to hang around people who would deny such a basic right to their fellow people.

Well, that was a thought that I hadn't had to deal with much until today. I didn't realize that I still had friends who were like that.. Sort of moving on, I'm stuck.. I have no idea what to do with myself. I have always believed that if you don't vote and you're able, then you have no right to bitch and moan when things don't go your way. I've always been a faithful voter even if I have the general opinion that my vote for something like President won't matter. Local elections, sure. Every vote counts. But, I will still vote. I'm aware of how the electoral college system works. Well here's my dilemma... I know that I'm going to complain about some sort of presidential decision in the next 4 years, it's inevitable, regardleess of who's elected (and I hope that Bush commits suicide when he loses!!). As a US citizen I reserve that right. However, I didn't vote this time. It wasn't for lack of trying-- I registered with the DMV when I renewed my license right before I left for Japan, and they were supposed to send me the right things in the mail. I didn't get anything. I have to plead ignorance, I am completely unfamiliar with absentee ballots, and truthfully I don't think they are counted seriously.... but should I have tried harder? I've barely had time to breathe over here in Japan, much less make expensive calls to unknown numbers in the US to set things right.. *shrugs* Well, it's too late now, but still.. it feels odd. It's so easy to vote in the US, but being in a foreign country might as well put me on another planet.

That said, I feel like planning a demonstration for glbt rights back home. Unfortunately, it's a looooooong flight. =/ Suuuuucky.
Current Mood: confused
Current Music: Frou Frou - Must Be Dreaming
Dusty!: Gravi-Sakano oro?driley1 on November 2nd, 2004 05:41 pm (UTC)
Eh, who knows what will happen now... it's like a TeniPuri match gone horribly wrong. (I don't want to see either candidate in tennis shorts. XP) Er, what I'm trying to say is... I'm not sure? ^^;;; If Kerry wins, cool... if Bush wins, I might just visit you and "accidentally" lose my return ticket or something. XD
inagawayuu on November 2nd, 2004 05:52 pm (UTC)
Well, keep in mind that some people may have voted for Bush just because he's not Kerry. Kerry is no champion of gay rights either, sad to say. He's just as against gay marriage as Bush, he's just smart enough to not try to make an amendment banning marriage, but he has no plans to push through a equal rights amendment. So a vote for either of the main canidates is a vote against gay equality, sadly :(

I too am all for gay rights. But I don't think we're gonna see an amendment that truly guarentees equal rights for all in the next 4 years -_-
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on November 2nd, 2004 05:56 pm (UTC)
I agree with you on that, as much as it pains me to do so. That's why I would have picked another candidate to vote for, rather than one of them. Equal rights are going to be hard to come by, sadly. At least if we have to take the lesser of two evils, let's take the one who won't outright ban human rights... -_-;;

It will be an intersting 4 years, yeah.. -_-;; Someday in the future they'll look back at the US in history books and bored teenagers won't even realize the moral battles that were being fought right now.
inagawayuu on November 2nd, 2004 06:04 pm (UTC)
Just like we can't fully appreciate everything that went on in the 60's, when our parents were our age. Though I for one am grateful for the civil rights advancements made in the 60's, otherwise I wouldn't be married to the one I love right now :)

I voted for Badanarik (LIB) this year because I simply in good faith could not vote for either Bush or Kerry, even though I mostly voted Republican for all other local offices.
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on November 2nd, 2004 06:13 pm (UTC)
*nods* I too am grateful for the civil rights amendments. I hope that for the sake of everyone's future, a few more amendments will be in the near future for us.

Thing is, I disagree with a lot of the libertarian issues, also. But I too could never vote for Bush or Kerry out of good conscience.
ingenuepremiere on November 2nd, 2004 06:06 pm (UTC)
You know, that's how a lot of people feel; not necessarily on same-sex marriage, but the issues that are most important to them. To many pro-lifers, voting for Kerry is voting for abortion. To educators, voting for Bush is shutting off funds to public schools via vouchers. It's all about what's most important to you. My problem has always been that I have a hard time choosing which candidate to support because I support a great deal of issues on either side, Democrat or Republican, but on each side there are issues that I vehemently disagree with. In the end, it's all about the lesser of two evils.
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on November 2nd, 2004 06:15 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and it's sad that it comes down to that in the end... T_T

I have little faith in the worth of presidential voting, anyways, when the popular vote isn't what counts in the end. All that counts is winning the popular votes in the big states. That's so much crap.
ingenuepremiere on November 2nd, 2004 07:10 pm (UTC)
Amen, sista.
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Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on November 2nd, 2004 06:25 pm (UTC)
I do too, though it's got to be one of the saddest things that I've ever heard.
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Crowunlimitedblack on November 2nd, 2004 10:58 pm (UTC)
Picking our government shouldn't be about the lesser of two evils. It should be about choosing the person who's going to serve the needs of the people.

The system that currently exists benefits the candidate who pisses off fewer constituents. I think the system needs to change. People shouldn't be voting against a candidate, they should be voting in support of the one they agree with. How many people out there are voting Kerry because he's not Bush, or vice-versa?

I say revolution. Rebuild this nation from ground zero in a way that adheres to the concept of a social contract, as opposed to simply choosing who is going to screw us in the ass for X amount of years.

Who's with me?
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on November 3rd, 2004 05:10 am (UTC)
I am totally 100% with you on that Crow!! We've got a long road ahead of us... *grabs her walking shoes*
athenazandrite on November 3rd, 2004 12:32 pm (UTC)
That would require the whole job to be reworked too. No one who we won't hate is willing to run for the seat because the job sucks. I hope McCain runs in the next election. I like him. Don't agree with him on everything but he's a good guy in general.
ingenuepremiere on November 2nd, 2004 07:03 pm (UTC)
IAWTC? eh?
ingenuepremiere on November 2nd, 2004 07:03 pm (UTC)
oh, duh, I got it.
buriteri on November 3rd, 2004 10:43 am (UTC)
totally agreed too, its such a pathetic state this country is in right now T-T;;;
taishitaishi on November 2nd, 2004 06:59 pm (UTC)
Measure 36
Measure 36 is an amendment being voted on in the State of OR that will outright BAN gay marriage. This was brought up by a group of assholes (aka, the new hope community church) after Multnomah county started issuing marriage certificates to same sex couples. The country clerk said she was in the right (and I agree) since the state constitution did not forbid same sex marriage.

Well, this group of fundamentalist pig fuckers decided we needed to change the constitution to be perfectly clear on the discrimination they wanted.

By handing the petition around IN THE FUCKING CHURCH they got the signatures they needed to put the god damned (pun intended) measure on the ballot.

Then they used church funds to plaster "Yes on 36" all over my beautiful city.

You can learn more about it here:

Reading the "Arguments in Favor" make me want to puke on church grounds. Preferably ON one of these shit stains.

My ballot has a big ol' "NO" next to measure 36. Unfortunately, the fucking thing is worded in a way that makes it sound like a good thing. I am watching this one, I will keep you posted on it.
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on November 3rd, 2004 05:03 am (UTC)
Re: Measure 36
Whoa, total and utter crap. How did the voting go?
taishitaishi on November 3rd, 2004 08:52 am (UTC)
Re: Measure 36
Unfortunately the retarded measure passed.
What pisses me off even more then the measure passing, is that five MILLION dollars were spent in the campaign to get it passed.

This was $5,000,000 spent just for the fundamentalist to push their agenda on the rest of the State.

Imagine the GOOD that could have been done by these church groups if the money raised for the "Yes on 36" campaign could have been used to help the community.

That money could have been used for government housing.
That money could have been put into schools to buy better supplies, and pay teachers.
That money could have been put to use in the states many parks for a lot of the work that needs to be done.
That money could have been put to use in any number of public work projects around the state to create some jobs.

Where did this money go instead? It went to TV and radio advertisements and sign makers to push an amendment to write discrimination into our state constitution.

Apparently these religious nutjobs forgot what Jesus would do.
Witness Relocation Programstarmonkee on November 3rd, 2004 05:59 am (UTC)
First of all, I'm not American (Canadian boy here). I am, however, a firm believer that people should be able to pursue their own lifestyle without fear of oppression, or even interference, from any government body. It sounds like you feel the same way. So I'm kind of confused about the fact that you say you would drop a friend because their views differ from yours (I assume you mean a 'real life' friend and not only LJ friends). Don't they also have the right to express their own views, even if you or I totally disaggree with them?

Of course, I draw the line when people start acting on their views and trying to force them on others. I come from a small town way up north, and there are quite a few homophobes up there, some of them old friends of mine. I don't agree with their views, but I know they're not gonna go around in a pick-up truck with baseball bats, so we're still good friends.

I'm not trying to give you shit here, but do you see what I'm saying?
Hi-chan (火ちゃん)hinoai on November 3rd, 2004 06:20 am (UTC)
I do understand what you're saying.. I've thought about it a lot for a long time. But what it comes down to is that I believe that my friends are people who for the most part share the same values that I do. At least, the important ones. If I chose to marry a girl and one of my friends opposed that idea, I don't think that they were ever truly my friend.

I hope that makes a little bit of sense. This is one of the most important issues to me in my life, so much so that it defines a good portion of my actions, and I don't believe that a friend of mine could be so close-minded and still be considered a friend. You know? Please, by all means my friends can like spinach while I don't, and they can support a different sports team or be a different religion or engage in polyamory while I don't, but the one thing I would never want to hear from one of my friends is how my choice in a marriage partner or lover is bad, or how anyone else's choice of a same-sex couple is 'bad.'